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Be your own person. Resist the System and the 666 Mark of the Beast.


"I might get chipped only if the alternative is tortoure or prison. I am vehemently opposed to it"
TB2K Jan. 9-2006 A from T.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=181221

Comment by this editor:
Torture is reprehensible to all human beings and it is the supreme motivational factor in getting a person to go against their will or conscience. We all hate pain, and our basic natural instinct is to avoid pain at all cost.
But can anything justify going against our conscience ? No.

"And fear not them which kill the body [ including torture ] , but are not able to kill the soul:
but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"
Matthew 10:28

"And I say unto you My friends, be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do."
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear:
fear Him which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, fear Him.
and Luke 12: 4, 5


"They'll take your soul if you let them .. oh but don't you let them.
You just call out My Name"
.... http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/james-taylor/69226.html

Fear Tactics
.... "fear hath torment " I John 4:18
The System is trying to wear us down, break us down and demoralize us by constantly talking about ---and graphically depicting--- torture on the news and in the movies ( "Hostel", detention centers etc. ).
This is propaganda, and it is also a brainwashing technique.
The System knows that if they can scare you enough, your imagination alone will keep you from doing your own will, and these tactics will try to persuade you to go against your deepest convictions.

What are we to do in the face of torture ?

1. First of all, we MUST not allow our minds to think upon it, or dwell upon it NO MATTER WHAT. Each time the media focuses on torture, TURN IT OFF. We must feed our Faith and starve our doubts.

2. Next, we feed our Faith by reading the Word of God which plainly demonstrates to us God's power over the physical world. ( The Book of
Exodus for example, among thousands of examples).

3. Next, we read as many biographies ( testimonies) of overcomers ... those who endured hardships, suffering and yes, even torture and yet released the power of God in their lives to overcome even torture.

"
And they overcame him by the Blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony
and they loved not their lives unto the death " Revelation 12:11


Torture can be overcome only by the power and grace of God. Daniel Chapter 3
Building up our own stamina by our own determination will only get us so far. We overcome by allowing God's grace to flow through us. We build up our strength by asking for His strength.

a. We can't
b. He can
c. So let Him

"I will love Thee O Lord my Strength " --Psalm 18
"The Lord is my shield and exceeding great reward" Genesis 15:1

4. We connect ( through prayer and meditation) with the most tortured Person in all of History ... Jesus Christ.
" He was marred more than any man" -- Isaiah 52:14
We look at His nailed pierced hands
Psalm 22 . We hear the mocking and scorn and blasphemy.
We see the spittle, the torn out beard
Isaiah 50: 6 , the merciless lashes upon all of His body.
We sense the utter agony He went through, even though He was righteous in all ways....never deserving any of the torture He received. He drank the cup to the dregs. He set His face as flint.

When we behold Jesus in all of this ignominy, we see the tremendous love He has for us.
When we are moved by His love to love Him back with all of our heart, then it is that
perfect LOVE which casts out fear. 1 John 4: 18

Torture -- no matter the time element involved ---is always temporary.
Loving God, and enjoying perfect bliss for all eternity, is FOREVER and ever.

I'll take eternity any day , NO MATTER WHAT !!!
! Second Machabees Chapter Seven


"My current fear is that the hurricane situation will only worsen the matter. It will be interesting to see if identifying the dead and the loss of all personal documentation (ie: bank papers and drivers license) will be used to push the implanted devices."

--- Anon

" I had the same thoughts you had, and I feel this will greatly increase people's fears concerning identification. Unfortunately many people will want the verichip.

There has been a deluge of warnings on the Internet about the chip being  related to the Mark of the Beast , and even the chip people themselves mention this. So nobody is in the dark ... especially children who have a peer group in school who are well tuned to the grapevine.

If people opt to take the chip, then they have thrown all caution to the winds, and they will reap the whirlwind.
I feel sorry for them, but that is their free exercise of will power.
I can only strengthen myself with firm resolve not to be influenced by the numbers of people
giving-in to the System
.

My God is able to keep me until He comes; Amen, brother ?"
--- Anonymous


DON'T DO IT!!!
What if this technology was available to the Germans while they were gasing the Jewish people?
It was hard enough for people to escape persecution by an insane government let alone a chip that is linked to a database!
And don't try to say we don't have insane Governmants anymore.
I'd sooner have my arm chopped off than to have that device in my body, and if someone tried to microchip my children, GOD HELP HIM.
Will people have buy personal RFID detection devices just to make sure someone hasn't "chipped" them without their knowledge in a hospital while under anesthetic?
Yes the apllications are limitless, but that's the thing that scares me the most. Tarrith
FIGHT for your freedom, for they wan't to CHIP it away!
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/talkback.htm?PROCESS=show&ID=20109123&AT=39163117-20000
61744t-10000005c writing in to ZDNet Australia Oct. 14, 2004


Many technology cheerleaders are naive and short-sighted about the way technology is, can or will be used," says Philippa Lawson, executive director at the Canadian Internet Policy & Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC). "People have not thought through the societal implications of RFID. Is this the direction we want to be heading, giving the capability to third parties to engage in ubiquitous and surreptitious surveillance?" ....
"what is purportedly voluntary in the vast majority of cases is not fully informed consent," she says.
http://www.intergovworld.com/article/181602a60a01040800f0541db9d91926/pg0.htm


I respectfully disagree with you that most Christians will not take it [ 666 Mark of the Beast ] willfully...

A lot of the Christians I know don't follow the end-time relevent news, and many would go along with these things if they became mandatory...just because they wouldn't know what else to do.

Most of the people (Christians) that I mention these things to don't even know what the verichip is or have even heard of it...
andi 7-05 rr et mb
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Please see 5 Foolish Virgins Matthew 25


do we not "pledge allegiance to the flag..." ?

Utilized as a Nat'l ID "card" - not to receive it would be like committing high treason or not being patriotic. The ruse is that in so taking this mark, we do pledge allegiance AND do we really know who our gov't will be pledging it's allegiance to as well? Remember, if it were so possible, even the elect could be mislead. And this is scarier than you think: If I loose my job
(I am being surplussed after over 16 years) and I am offered a new job elsewhere, but am required to get an implant because that is how they do things at that company (how many of you have rfid badges you wear? I do now and it not only gets me in the door but also to my floor and section and exclusively the womens restroom.) I am then in a pickle. I have my family of 6 depending on me. (buy or sell) If I allow this chip, I AM swearing allegiance.
cmac ... rr et mb ... 7-2005


some basic teachings in the word of the Lord that forbid recieving the microchip implants, upon the strictest terms , even the terms of damnation.

Luke 16:13
"No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. (v.14) And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. (v.15) And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God."

1 Corinthians 6:19
"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

Matthew 4:4
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

"It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."

"Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

--man of steel rr et mb 7-05
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=212443&page=2


The MOB won't be something one can take accidentally or in ignorance. The bible is crystal clear that it will be a willful rebellion against God. The recipient will be fully aware of what he is doing when he accepts it. --

The mark of the beast is more than just receiving a "mark" — it's a voluntary act of WORSHIP.
When someone receives the mark of the beast, they do so, willingly, knowing what they're doing — worshipping the beast, or his image.
The mark of the beast is NOT just a credit card, a smart card, a biochip implant, or a mark — it is a sign of allegiance and WORSHIP of the beast or his image — and rejection of a holy God.

In Revelation 16:2, when the mark of the beast is mentioned, it includes worship:
"And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image." Revelation 16:2
can't wait! ... rr et mb 7-05
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=212821


"Multitudes, Multitudes in the Valley of Decision" -- JOEL

VeriChip thoughts by Fee Benamon
" Recently, former Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson announced that he will be getting an implanted microchip under his skin. The minute you place one of those things under your skin, say GOODBYE to your freedoms!

With this chip, you will be easily tracked. I don't need a chip under my skin to function well in society. It makes me shiver, I would feel like property....property of the US Government. I do not like to feel like I need to be dependent on anyone. Think, no more privacy! Satellites will be able to pinpoint your exact location if need be. Very freaky!

I do not want it to get to where we are so needy when it comes to technology that we cannot survive without it. Never become that needy!
Is the government advocating more safety, or is it about gaining and exerting more control over the masses?

Coming soon....
We are rapidly advancing toward the days when we will be pressured to get a microchip implanted under our skin. I'm telling you now, I don't want it.

It usually starts with news of the available chip. Then a recommendation. And before you know it, it becomes popular, then mandatory
[ Ed: required for all purchases, especially  food.]
 They are being introduced to society at a snails pace, but will catch on sooner or later and you will have to make a decision. It's up to you. Weigh all the pros and cons in regards to this new technology before you slip a chip under your skin. To me, it's just not worth it. "
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=7330
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_9015.shtml

At this same time will they announce that banks will use the subdermal chip beginning in fiscal year 2006 ?
( which actually begins Oct. 1, 2005 ). Time will tell.


In the financial arena, the company sees enormous, untapped potential for VeriChip as a personal verification technology that could help to curb identity theft and prevent fraudulent access to banking (especially via ATMs) and credit card accounts. VeriChip's tamper-proof, personal verification technology would provide banking and credit card customers with the added protection of knowing their accounts could not be accessed unless they themselves initiated -- and were physically present during -- the transaction.
http://www.adsx.com/prodservpart/verichip.html


If this is not the MOB and I take it, I have made it easier later down the road for making all [others ] take the MOB because I didn't try and stop it when I had a chance; and now one more level of condtioning has been made easier for Satan.
If this is the MOB and I take it willingly then I think trying to say "ignorance" will not be an excuse with the sheep and goats.
No where in my knowledge are we directed to help and make it easy for satan to condtion the cattle, so to speak

If I am not directly putting my soul on the line, I am at least helping to put other's souls on the line down the road. Once you are in the system, you are in it--- there is no getting out later down the road; and i have made it easy for them to get info because fewer people objected to recieving the mark than didn't object.

Kinda like the rotary phone vs push button. You have no choice but to push button. Look at where we have come.
8 tracks i agree CD's are better, but what do ya do with all the old 8 tracks you might have? They are trash now, as are Albums and Cassette tapes the same way. Soon --and I mean very soon --Cds are going away, to be replaced by Secure digital chips and MP3 players so you can get ready to toss all those cd's soon enough.
Or HD tv. In a couple of years your regular TV will not work. The reason is the majority of the people have already gotten a digital TV. See, as they introduce new technology, they eleminate old technology and progress. (process)

How does that work, you ask? Let's look. Originally there were no ATM machines which meant no ATM cards. Credit cards also were only for the wealthy, and if you had one, you were very wealthy. Checks have been around for a long time but what about all the fraud checks? Well we solved that with a picture ID on your atm. Well now they have figured out how to use them in false ways so we have to be secure in a better way.

But how??? Ohhh, a chip ! great idea huh? so they implant a chip. Well with the Chip we can also have all your info but also we don't need cash money, do we? well if the whole world has a chip that means.... We all have the same cash society and we just have scanners that can be read en mass for many feet even up to miles with a strong enough scanner. Well gee with Satellite technology it makes it instant that I know where you are and what your doing. If you're in the bathroom, and if you're standing or sitting.

Well now because of all the unrest in the world..because of the many religions we should just have one; All should assemble at the locations designated and scan in to bow down and worship the new god of all people who has removed all the differences from all the mixed up religions. He is the one who is now in control of the religion and the world. He is the one who takes care of us and makes sure we are safe. Anyone who doesn't feel that way now is a trouble maker, and a terroist and after all it is this new god that says any and all terroist should die for the good of all the people.

Not sure about you, but I see that as an easy scenerio If the Chip is the mark it goes exactly. If it is not the chip the next step in getting the mark would be as easy as we need to upgrade the system. Come to this location, have your chip scanned and recieve the new mark and you will be crossed off as having received it, if you don't come in at " x " period of time, we will use the GPS [ Ed: or data-tracking through G3 and G4 telecommunications ] in your current chip to find you and make sure you take the new mark and if you refuse we will know you're an enemy of the state.

So what happens if we are raptured ? ..nothing to us, but what about the people left behind? haven't we just kinda left them to hang out and dry? haven't we said ..." oh I am going to be raptured I have no cares for those left behind" ..that may want to make the choice for christ. Had we made a big deal ahead of time about how we thought it was the mark they may have at least gotten some warning, but by us just going ahead and having it done we may have been misled or maybe we as pre trib were wrong about the rapture timing and it was a mid trib after all there is some valid argumants for other postions although in many cases it most likely points to pre trib all I know is we were told not to allow ourselves to be decived and we were told to witness I figure if we don't take it, we are fighting both openly now while we have the chance to do so even if it is for those left behind. Just My opinion on the matter -- pendragon rr et mb 7-05

Ed : Excellent ..well said !!!!


Here is one way for the Mark to arrive:  
At first the Mark will come voluntarily; as a good cause accepted by wise and smart citizens. 
Then it will be required .. as in the new drivers license... to be used as a National I.D.,  for Peace and Security.  
Then the Mark is only a needle prick away.

1st.     Health card / chips - voluntary with incentive.. sounds great.        
2nd.   Drivers license with I.D. chips ... required... mandatory... you can not drive without one!  
3rd.    "Sorry so-and-so but there is something wrong with your drivers license (I.D. / chip).
           I cannot sell you any food today. Please report to room 666 to clear up this matter."  
4th.    It will then be reported that Identity Thieves are stealing the new drivers license in record numbers and
         that forgers are having no trouble duplicating them.  But,,, not to worry, a Florida company, called
          Veri Chip, has the ultimate solution.  "Next please."   alan t


"Just a side note to your readers,

When the scripture notes the RIGHT hand or forehead, it's important to know that in context that
the left hand was/is considered unclean in Middle Eastern culture.
I would assert that to take the mark (CHIP) period, regardless of location constitutes transgression of "THE LAW."
May we all be strong in the final days" Michael AK


I noticed the "should" in the Verichip: "should" be voluntary--not Verichip "will" be voluntary.   I think it is interesting as well that they are admitting the connection to the Mark of the Beast and more or less pooh-poohing it as a figment of paranoid fundamentalists. Lori F

Lori is referring to this news item:
6 point "plan" ---- Nov. 22, 2004

"1. VeriChip should be voluntary and voluntary only."
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20041122005384&newsLang=en
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/041122/225384_1.html

Yet when it is necessitated and required for all purchases, one can hardly consider a
food-embargo on the stomach "voluntary".
see Rev. 13: 16--18
There's an old commercial that went like this :
"Promise her anything ...... but give her Arpege ( perfume) "

Revelation 14: 9--11 does not mention privacy concerns or health concerns. It does state that one will spend an eternity in the Lake of Fire for submitting to a worshipful database system via
the name, number
(666) and image of the beast ( the world leader ...the "one voice" ).


Tim LaHaye: Left Behind Series allows one to take the Mark of the Beast ( heresy)
www.cybertime.net/~ajgood/lahayemark.html

Rapture Ready : http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=190287

RapidNet http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/BookReviews/left.htm

Harvest of Fear http://www.samliquidation.com/harvest2.htm


"he will offer everyone a choice--both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond--to receive a mark in his right hand
(oath, allegiance, pledge), or in his forehead (mind/thought/belief):

no man will be allowed to conduct business, save he who has the proper conduct, except under the recommendation of the king, or that he at least has the password."


" I'm pretty sure it will be applied only in the right hand (or forehead).

I once wrote an article in Dutch and highlighted that people should be extremely cautious if someone or a system forces something (chip-implant, tattoo etc) for whatever reason in (or on) their right hand or forehead).
But I am sure people will not 'accidentally' receive the MOB.The eternal punishment is too severe for that.

Everybody who gets the MOB has rejected Jesus Christ as their Saviour and chooses to follow satan.
  There are now about two million people here walking around with tattoos or piercings of some sort. Can you imagine ? That is quite a lot for a small population. Conditioning to take a chipimplant, that's what it is.

I heard a youth say:"
Almost all of my friends have one, so I took one too."
I am afraid that's how it goes when the MOB will be demanded to buy or sell.
"Almost everybody has one, so why not me ?"  
I wonder  how it will go with the (slight) mentally handicapped (disabled) people.
Do you think they will also have to make a choice to take or not take the MOB?
Just a question that pops up. -- HV


quote from Alan Trombetta :
"  it just occured to me that being 'chipped' is a cute way of describing the forbidden act of 'accepting the mark of the beast.'  
This perfectly defines the method of deception used by the anti-christ system which "causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  (Rev 13:16)  

He 'causeth' by making evil appear good and this through deception.  
He causeth all to believe that being marked is for their own safety and benefit.    
"Take heed that no man deceive you." - Jesus


Philadelphia considers wireless internet for all ( and other cities too) -- September 1, 2004
PHILADELPHIA - For about $10 million, city officials believe they can turn all 135 square miles of Philadelphia into the world's largest wireless Internet hot spot.
The ambitious plan, now in the works, would involve placing hundreds, or maybe thousands of small transmitters around the city — probably atop lampposts. Each would be capable of communicating with the wireless networking cards that now come standard with many computers.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040901/ap_on_hi_te/wireless_cities_7 (hj)
Comment Sent in :
"GPS + MICROCHIP = Human Grid
666- all connected via satellites. Hmmm
"
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  Then, once the deadline for Official Registration [ of the 666 Mark ] is passed, all the State Security police (SS) will have to do is stand on corners and wave magic wands at people.  Who ever is not register is arrested. Simple as that. 
  What ever happened to the good life? ( aj north )


Here is a RR thread.
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=176268

Sadly, most of the input does not believe the chip is the mark. We must be prepared for the fact that many of our 'Christian ' friends, family and loved ones WILL take the 666 MOB. Peer pressure and affections may cause one to cave-in. Please read
Ephesians Chapter 6 for strength in the Last Days.

There are many reasons why not to take the 666 MOB. There are people who fear loss of privacy, and they won't take it under any circumstance. That does not make them believers in Jesus Christ.

There are many people who fear the lithium battery and the judgement contained in Revelation 16:2 of a "noisome and greivous sore". They too will not take the 666 MOB. That does not make them believers in Jesus Christ.

There are other reason too. But the main reason --- the reason why Believers won't take the 666 Mark of the Beast---is because of
obedience to God's Holy Word contained in Revelation 14: 9--11.
The fear of Hell and the loss of our immortal soul is contained in that passage. That is a good and wholesome fear.
"The beginning of wisdom is fear of the LORD". Psalm 111:10

But the best reason of all is not to take the 666 Mark of the Beast simply because God has commanded us not to.
We offer up our
obedience to Him, and sacrifice the things of this world to Him, as a pure and holy oblation.

We can gladly give up our lives for Him because a "perfect love casts out fear". I John 4:18


"Choice, an important word, a word eternally connected with consequence. It is impossible to have choice, without there being consequence.

Every time I hear or read about the ultimate theft of privacy…or should I say the stealing of the human spirit, where we are all reduced to a basic set of numbers where anyone with access to those numbers can literally pull them up and read the actions of your life, right down to the second that you paid your last electric bill, I understand exactly how far mankind has fallen.

If you’ve ever seen cattle prancing around within the bounds of their masters fences, with tags attached to their ears, you have about as clear a picture as possible as to what the power of this RFID technology is all about.

Everyone should think about the ramifications of that! ---from 'Painfully Aware' RR Chat Nov. 23, 2004


"Why isn't more Pastors and Ministers teaching on the prophecies about the second coming?.I am a former catholic,and left the church in 99.And began to search the area i live in for a good bible based Church.And started going to a church (won't mention the denomination)and me and my wife and a few others wanted to start a class after 9-11 on the endtimes,and when we came to our Pastor he was cool to the idea,he said i don't know about this stuff.I mean he said i don't know alot about prophecy.Anyway it didn't get started,and i began talking to other Pastors in our area,which is a good size County.And came to a conclusion,that there were only a few who taught on the last days events.One Pastor said he believed in the "Pan-out theory" it will all pan out in the end!!! Shhhssssh.What happend to all of Gods teachers??? -- TG RR Chat Nov. 29, 2004


"Have you considered the possibility that you are who God has in mind to teach on such a subject? We are searching for a new church home, and I just know the Holy Spirit is gently bringing similar issues to my heart. Sometimes we try to find a church where everything is in place, but in reality, God has a purpose and plan for each of our lives, which just may include US stepping out of the boat and up to the plate to fill a need that exists.
--Patty T. RR Chat Nov. 29, 2004 ...... emphasis by webperson


"don't be a fool. Don't be a blind follower. Get your own oil from a word for word version of the Bible and don't be spoonfed by your pastor. If your church is not preaching these things in these last days then SOMETHING IS REALLY WRONG
THERE!!!! check it out. "88"..Factnet


Beware of false teaching

Tim LaHaye of "Left Behind" series .....
"I do not see these modern chips as a threat because the issue is not just a mark but according to Rev. 13: 4,8,12 it is the worshipping of the anti-christ that dooms people during the tribulation. People who worship the beast and his
image will take the beasts' mark to identify they are his followers."

Taking the Mark of the Beast IS worshipping the Beast
http://www.cybertime.net/~ajgood/mobdd.html

Tim LaHaye on the Mark of the Beast

www.cybertime.net/~ajgood/lahayemark.html


"This will be the first time we will accept the money system into our own body! Our body is the temple of the holy Spirit and by accepting the verichip you invite an false God (Mammon) into a holy place. Than you are doing the same thing the merchants did when Jesus drove them out of the temple, and the same thing the AC will do when he will put his own statue in the new temple. You can not obey the Mammon and God. It would be an act of adultery against your Creator. I can imagine that the choice that we have to make will be very hard. Try to pay only with cash these days, it's made nearly impossable. If in a few years all cash will be gone and changed into a virtual money system it will be even harder.
Van Helsing RR chat


" On what I think the MoB will be - Something similar to a chip with an obvious outward physical indication of it.

Imagine the state of the world after the next war/terrorist attack(s), large scale natural catastrophe, Rapture. Fear, confusion, upheaval. To guarantee each subject (!) is accounted for, has i.d. to ensure they are legitimate, and to be allowed to collect food, clothing, medical care, and shelter, all by permission of the one in charge, each individual has to have this indicator. To be able to survive, under his terms, each individual must pledge themselves to him in exchange for it.
Bama Lady RR chat


Even Little Children have understanding ....
Some evenings when I put my 3 1/2 year old daughter to bed, she asks me to sing to her. I have been asking her to tell me which songs she wants me to sing and she always starts with "Jesus Loves Me". She has been asking for a couple of weeks now for me to sing "Glory" - I had no idea what song she was talking about! Tonight I finally figured it out -

Oh what singing! Oh what shouting! On that happy morning when we all shall rise. Oh what Glory, Hallelujah! When we meet our blessed Savior in the sky.

So after I sang it, I told her that our Savior is Jesus and that song is about when He comes back for us and we meet Him in the sky. She chattered for 10 minutes about Jesus coming back to get us and take us to the clouds in the sky. "Alyssa's going up in the sky. See Jesus. With Mommy and Daddy and Grandma..." and she kept naming people. "Have to wait for Jesus"

Sigh. Yes, Alyssa. Have to wait for Jesus. --- Lady Hen RR Chat


" As it's tied to buying and selling, and that the very faithful will have it on their foreheads, versus those who are made to declare an allegiance in order to be fed taking it on the right hand, I think that the VeriChip/RFID certainly fit the bill and/or pave the way for the final version.

I also think that a great campaign to "desensitize" the public to the loss of self-determination, and to the reliance on every technology as a "good" thing is underway.

When the MotB is revealed, I don't believe that the populace will be shocked or dismayed, they'll recognize it's form and use, and like sheep without a shepherd, they will follow... -- Fervant4Him RR chat


" You go into Wal-Mart (or any store) and there's a few self-serve check-outs. You don't even notice that each month there's another self-serv check-out and one less human cashier. Then one day there are no humans cashiers and the self-serve check out doesn't accept your payment because your debit card is not coded with a 666 prefix.
Far more likely to happen like that. -- cenimo RR chat


2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

No there is no sneakiness, but look and the 11th. verse. God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. So it will not be that easy to know the truth. If we are already programed to think the chips are good and helpful, and with the strong delusion, then those who have not accept Christ (and maybe even them that have, who knows) will have trouble knowing the truth or at least seeing it. Love in Christ, Kathy --RR chat


Heat sensing chips
I have been aware for several years that there are helicopters which are equipped with heat-sensing equipment. Many are familiar with other uses of thermal detecting equipment in many areas of technology. Put this together with the new chips and it will not be hard to seek and destroy the people.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2005/elleng430.htm ( April 2005 )


Comments concerning:
How should one present the message about the 666 Mark of the Beast ?
Can we tell others about it without bringing up the Bible ?

Here are our guidelines for publication, whether it be by Internet, book, videos , tapes convocation  or whatever:
Ezekiel 3:18... We are to warn sinners to repent ; if our message does not contain that, then we are guilty for that person's hopeless death. Please see Ezekiel Chapter 18:20-32 for further details.

Ezekiel 33:8 "If thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand."

To tell others about the 666 Mark of the Beast without tying it to the Book of Revelation is-- for us--- Laodicean. It is a compromised message. Tailored to fit the mindset of the world,  and therefore not capable of bringing persons into the fullness of knowledge, which is understanding ... the
why we do not take the MOB. Revelation 14: 9--11.

We are told--- in the message to the Laodicean Church--- to be "hot", or we would be spewed out of the mouth of Christ. To mention hell as a consequence for taking the MOB is "hot". Many people back away from that message. It is too hot for them to handle.

To mention the Bible, the Book of Revelation and Salvation alone in Jesus Christ is "hot".
Too many do not want to handle those issues.

Basically, the Christian does not have two messages...one for the world and one for the Christian. We have only one message...only one Gospel ...the good news is that we can have forgiveness for our sins through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ (
Galatians 1:6--10).

The MOB merely flushes out those who accept Christ and those who do not.
The primary message is Salvation; the secondary message is the MOB.

A person may not take the 666 Mark of the Beast, but because they reject the atoning blood of Jesus Christ, they merely suffer eternal judgement without an implanted chip in their body.
That is not the Christian's message.

Our message is this : Do not take the 666 MOB or hell will be the consequence.
Do not worship ( honor, extol, adhere to every word) the Beast, or hell will be the consequence.

No compromise = no hell.

The 666 Mark of the
Beast = hell
The Mark of the BEST = Heaven
( trusting in Jesus' blood for the atonement and forgiveness of our sins )


Another comment on giving out a compromised message:

" The MOB is directly tied to  Revelations and the severe consequences it has when received. So when you spread the message of not taking the MOB--- by itself and the eternal consequence is not included --- then people would perhaps more easily accept it, especially if they find out they can't buy or sell wihout it. Just my opinion.  " -- HV


More comments and links
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=201834

Rapture Alert
http://www.rapturealert.com/052005markofthebeast.html



Don't Take it !
( Revelation 13 and 14 )  

It's the hour of judgment and
confusion on earth;
One man seems to have all
the answers.
"To simplify matters in these chaotic times,
you don't need a fistful
of different I.D's,
just one permanent,  triple-six mark."  

Don't take it !
Do not take the mark of the beast
no matter how persuasive or
sensible it may seem;
this is the Deceiver's most devious scheme--
Don't take it;
Do not take the mark.  

Did you hear the third angel,
flying high in the sky?
His warning was not for your entertainment:
"Fear God, give Him glory;
Do not worship the beast;
And do not take his mark in
your forehead or hand--
You'll be cut off forever
from God and the Lamb;
Don't take it--
Do not take the mark!"  

No triple-six chipping,
no "world citizen I.D".
no "it's for your protection--
so what's the big deal?"
This I.D. is forever with no cancellation
no chance of redemption,
no chance of salvation;
This I.D. aligns you with hell.

You've no strength to resist?
You're no match for that power?
You just have no courage to stand?
No, you don't, you are right,
You're no match for his might,
You're a flea in his sight
but you don't have to fight.
Give your whole self to God,
trust your whole soul to Him;
just hold on,
just hold on,
This is one that God wins.
His power of light
will soon cast out the dark.
Just don't take it;
Do not take the mark.
 

lori fiechter

5-12-04
 

 We visit Lori's site whenever we seek balm for the soul.
Enjoy her many perspectives at:
"Glow in the Dark Christians"

http://www.onlyinternet.net/lori/
http://www.parlorcity.com/lori


Back to Revelation 13:16 "The Right Hand"


"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off:
It is better for thee to enter into (
eternal ) life maimed,
than having two hands to go into hell,
into the fire that shall never be quenched.
Where their worm (
cankering remorse / regret ) dieth not,
and the fire is not quenched."

Mark 9 : 43, 44



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